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Non-conservation of energy (and of spirits)

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Non-conservation of energy (and of spirits)

Videostill.
The entire conversation follows below.



There is a man here who has followed me the entire day.


Do you know who he is?

No, but I think he might be here for you.


Ok. What I want to talk about through you is energy.

The 19th century law of the conservation of energy states that energy in a closed system can never be created
or destroyed. What if energy is not conserved but, on the contrary, goes through transformative processes
that eventually lead to the destruction of energy? I would like to discuss this and address some questions to
a collective scientific consciousness, or body of scientific knowledge. Is that possible?

I can do that.

Ok. And how should I address my questions?

Preferably by asking direct and concrete questions. Just tell me exactly what you want to know.

Then my clairvoyance will work for me.

I’ve seen pictures from early spiritist séances of people joining hands around a circular table.
The method was simply to ask “yes” and “no” questions, and the spirits respond in the form of rappings.

(Sound: Knock, knock, knock).

Did you ever try that?

Well, I have tried about everything there is to try.
Rappings, ouji-boards, tipping tables… You can use anything.
It is just a matter of agreeing upon a set of rules.

For example, can one rapping mean “yes” and two mean “no”?

Yes.


Can the answers come in the form of images or visual sensations too?

Y es.


A bit like a silent movie?

No, more like a memory, as if I see someone else’s memories.


Are you able to answer questions about knowledge, theoretical knowledge, that you don’t know or understand yourself?

Yes.

Good. Then my next questions are for the spirits: Can energy be used up?

(Knock, Knock)

Is the energy in the universe perfectly balanced?

(Knock, knock)

Is there such a thing as perfect balance?

(Knock, knock)

(Hand gesture indicating
a scale being balanced)


What about cyclical behavior, is there one underlying force that influences all processes in nature?

(Knock, knock)

Are coinciding cycles rather influencing each other by some kind of feedback mechanism?

(Knock)

Is the law of conservation of energy a false axiom?

(-)

Is the theory wrong?

(-)

Alright, I will be more specific. There is one particular case I would like to know more about, something I picked up at
a conference  some time ago. It was just a side comment, it might well just be a rumor: Niels Bohr allegedly played
with the idea that energy is not conserved, but, on the contrary, is destroyed.

What do you mean by energy?
The energy that we spend, or we as energy?

All kinds.

But that is not possible.
It would imply that our energy disappears too. Which means our visitor could not have been here now.

Well, eventually Bohr abandoned the idea.

Ok go on. I can feel that our guest is very curious about this. I think it must be him, Bohr.


In that case I would like to ask how his idea of non-conservation of energy came about:
Did you work on this as a theory for a long time?

(Knock, knock) 

Did you do lab experiments that made you think that energy is not conserved?

(Knock, knock)

Did you observe or experience something in nature in which energy appeared to get lost?

(Knock)

The anecdote I heard didn’t say if energy would eventually be used up or not.

According to your discarded idea, would new energy be produced?

(Knock) 

Did your idea provoke controversy?

(Knock, knock) 

Did you discuss your theory with your peers?

(Knock, knock) 

With friends or family?

(Knock)

Did they agree?

(-)

Some people agreed?

(Knock)

Who?

(-)

I think he must have discussed it with one or several women.
Do you know if he worked with female philosophers or scientists?

I don’t know.

I see a lot of women here.


Perhaps he discussed his work with his wife?

He for sure discussed it with a woman, but I can not see who.

I guess he must have had female peers, although they didn’t make it into the history textbooks.

I see him with women. And in front of a university. The building is white and long. There are many windows, and outside stairs in the middle.

He encountered some kind of problem there.Something that had to do with dishonesty and money.

Money… It could have been a financial problem at the university. Or maybe it’s a science analogy. Thermodynamics has been used in
economics as an analogy via the argument that scarcityis at the core of both: There’s a limited amount of energy, and furthermore, perfect recycling
of that energy isn’t possible because it becomes unavailable through entropy. If we could produce and discard energy at our convenience,
we wouldn’t need to worry about scarcity because there wouldn’t be any limits. How does this correspond to spiritual energy?
Is this energy constant or does it accumulate?

Are you asking me?
It is constant. Most spirits and spiritualenergies are resting for a while before they get activated again.
Some are inactive for decades or even centuries.

I have some times felt as if I actually experienced  living in the 19th century…

That could be recollections from earlier experiences.


Yes, or it’s because photography was invented at that time.

It could be visual residues of your memories.

Maybe.

In any case, I don’t have the same sense of pre-photographic times.

I can see Bohr studying a photograph, but it is blank.
He is not happy with it.

Mr. Bohr, did this photograph in any way lead up to your idea on non-conservation of energy?

(Knock, knock)

Ok.

I would like to know if there are any written accounts of your idea. I was told this was something that was swept under the rug, because it was simply
a bit of an embarrassment. Did you publish anything on this matter?

(Knock, knock)

Did you write anything at all about this?

(Knock)

In a notebook?

(Knock)

Does the notebook still exist?

(Knock)

Are the notes written by hand?

(Knock)

What does the notebook look like?

(-)

Where can I find it?

(-)

Is he still here?

Yes.


Did you make a diagram illustrating your ideas?

(Knock)

What did the diagram look like?

(-)

Would you say that a symbol for energy could be this: A circle with an arrow, like a recycling symbol?

(Hand drawing a line on the table from right to left, returning to the starting point by drawing a half circle, followed by suggesting an arrow at the left end of the figure)


Is it a cycle?

(Knock)

I’m not sure I understand your illustration correctly. Is the arrow connected to the line, suggesting a backwards movement on the timeline?

(Knock, knock)

Is the arrow connected to the half circle?

(Knock, knock)

Both?

(Knock)

To me the illustration looks like some sort of broken cycle.  Perhaps it’s a cycle, but that some things get lost. Like entropy, maybe, that some energy becomes unavailable.
I would like to know what energy itself looks like. Can it be described by a color or a shape, as lightness or darkness?

(Knock, knock)

Is it because it’s invisible to us?

(Knock)

Is energy ultimately one thing?

(Knock)

Is there one ultimate source?

(Knock, knock)

(Hand gesture: hand drawing a circle in the air followed by a wiping out-like gesture)


A wiped out circle… I don’t know how to interpret that. Maybe it has to do with the sun, as the sun gives nearly all the energy
that is consumed and accumulated on earth.
The sun gives and gives and gives. And it’s impossible to give anything in return.
Except by sun worship. Like we did in winter when I grew up, where the sun is away for months. We would always celebrate
the return of the sun by having chocolate cake and taking the day off. I don’t know if people back home do that kind of worship anymore.
To go on, you said that your discarded idea of energy behavior was due to something you observed in nature. Did this have to do with the sun?

(Knock)

Did you reason something along these lines: That the sun keeps on giving to the earth, without taking anything in return,
and that this represents a broken energy cycle?  

(Knock, knock)

Ok. Did looking at the sun prove your theory wrong?

(Knock)

So looking at the sun kind of solved it. Perhaps you saw how the energy from the sun transforms into life,
that the sun is a regenerative force?

(-)

No?

(-)

Do you think that energy and resources on earth would have been distributed differently if we believed that energ
is constantly produced and destroyed?

(Knock)

(Avid gesture: hands held high, palms against each other, moves hands towards chest and rapidly moves them apart from each other)


Does your gesture mean that our resources would have been distributed more evenly?

(Knock, knock)

Would the resources have been lost or scattered somehow?

(Repeats hand gesture, followed by a waving gesture with both hands)


In such a world, without entropy, would we care less about deficits?

(-)

I’ve read that the concept of entropy has been disputed and misunderstood by many scientists, and that the concept, in many interpretations,
ended up meaning the opposite of what it originally describes. I wonder how you feel about the way your work has been interpreted
in recent years. Is your research properly understood?

(Knock, knock)

Are your theories misinterpreted?

(Knock)

Scientifically?

(Knock, knock)

Philosophically?

(-)

Metaphorically?

(-)

Is it the spiritual interpretations of your work that are misconstrued?

(-)

Is physics at all applicable to spiritual dimensions?

(Knock)

Does that imply that the laws of physics rule spiritual dimensions too?

(-)

Is it so that everything in the universe is interconnected?

(Knock)

What do you think about holism?

(-)

Is it a misconstruction?

(-)

He likes to talk, but I do not understand what he is saying. And now the women are here again.
I think he must have discussed this with them.


Can you see who they are?

No.


Are you able to sense if any others have been in touch with him lately?

Yes.


You see, I just read the facebook status of a friend that said “speaking to Niels Bohr in my studio”.
It turned out he was trying to get in touch with him. 

Ok. But I sense that he was not successful at that.


No, he said that he didn’t receive any answer.

In what way did he attempt to contact Bohr?


He had a photograph which he had made a kind of puppet from, and then he spoke to the puppet and tried to get it to talk.

I do not think he could have gotten any answers, it feels … empty.

There is a man here who has followed me the entire day.


Do you know who he is?

No, but I think he might be here for you.

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